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		<title>By: BizCamp 2 wrap-up, notes, presentations and takeaways. - BizCamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>BizCamp 2 wrap-up, notes, presentations and takeaways. - BizCamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WhatClinic Web revenue models presentation notes. From a Great Idea to a Great Business: Lessons from the iQ Prize View more documents from iqcontent1.  Startups and Ireland View more presentations from Joe Drumgoole. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] WhatClinic Web revenue models presentation notes. From a Great Idea to a Great Business: Lessons from the iQ Prize View more documents from iqcontent1.  Startups and Ireland View more presentations from Joe Drumgoole. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Customer survey results &#171; Toddle Stuff &#8211; Beautifully Simple Email Marketing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Customer survey results &#171; Toddle Stuff &#8211; Beautifully Simple Email Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] King gave a great talk last year on online business and subscription models. He explained that a churn rate of 20-30% of your customers is to be expected each year. (In his [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] King gave a great talk last year on online business and subscription models. He explained that a churn rate of 20-30% of your customers is to be expected each year. (In his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Churn: Taking Payment &#171; the goose</title>
		<link>http://blog.whatclinic.com/2009/09/business-revenue-model-presentation-for-bizcamp-dublin.html/comment-page-1#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>Churn: Taking Payment &#171; the goose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the name of my game.  Well not really.  As the ever so clever (and annoyingly correct) Caelen pointed out in his latest Bizcamp tour de force &#8211; it is not quiet that simple.  Churning [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the name of my game.  Well not really.  As the ever so clever (and annoyingly correct) Caelen pointed out in his latest Bizcamp tour de force &#8211; it is not quiet that simple.  Churning [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bizcamp - Online Business Models - Caelen King &#124; Leo Fogarty .com</title>
		<link>http://blog.whatclinic.com/2009/09/business-revenue-model-presentation-for-bizcamp-dublin.html/comment-page-1#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>Bizcamp - Online Business Models - Caelen King &#124; Leo Fogarty .com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post is for a session I went to hosted by Caelen King from Revahealth.com . He was giving a talk on online business revenue models and believe me if anybody has researched online revenue models it&#8217;s Caelen. Caelens company [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post is for a session I went to hosted by Caelen King from Revahealth.com . He was giving a talk on online business revenue models and believe me if anybody has researched online revenue models it&#8217;s Caelen. Caelens company [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BizCamp 2 wrap-up, notes, presentations and takeaways.&#160;&#124;&#160;BizCamp</title>
		<link>http://blog.whatclinic.com/2009/09/business-revenue-model-presentation-for-bizcamp-dublin.html/comment-page-1#comment-676</link>
		<dc:creator>BizCamp 2 wrap-up, notes, presentations and takeaways.&#160;&#124;&#160;BizCamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reval Health Web revenue models presentation notes. From a Great Idea to a Great Business: Lessons from the iQ Prize View more documents from iqcontent1.  Startups and Ireland View more presentations from Joe Drumgoole.  Alan O&#039;Rourke, Toddle.com - The email sales funnel. €10 into €1000 How to Create Value Using All of Your Brain View more presentations from Meetforeal. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reval Health Web revenue models presentation notes. From a Great Idea to a Great Business: Lessons from the iQ Prize View more documents from iqcontent1.  Startups and Ireland View more presentations from Joe Drumgoole.  Alan O&#39;Rourke, Toddle.com &#8211; The email sales funnel. €10 into €1000 How to Create Value Using All of Your Brain View more presentations from Meetforeal. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Video of Caelen at BizCamp 2009 &#124; RevaHealth.com Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.whatclinic.com/2009/09/business-revenue-model-presentation-for-bizcamp-dublin.html/comment-page-1#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Video of Caelen at BizCamp 2009 &#124; RevaHealth.com Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Elsewhere on the blog you can find the full set of slides for Caelen&#8217;s web revenue models presentation. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Caelen King</title>
		<link>http://blog.whatclinic.com/2009/09/business-revenue-model-presentation-for-bizcamp-dublin.html/comment-page-1#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>Caelen King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I think further about this I notice that there are a few other industries that put in very effective barriers to churn. CRM is one of this, once you are bedded into Salesforce or Zoho it can cost 10s of thousands to migrate. I suppose the same is true of all enterprise web applications because there is always a  massive cost in change management. However, even then the number of businesses that go out of business every year has to be considered but that wouldn&#039;t be anywhere near 20% (although this year may be an exception to that),</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I think further about this I notice that there are a few other industries that put in very effective barriers to churn. CRM is one of this, once you are bedded into Salesforce or Zoho it can cost 10s of thousands to migrate. I suppose the same is true of all enterprise web applications because there is always a  massive cost in change management. However, even then the number of businesses that go out of business every year has to be considered but that wouldn&#8217;t be anywhere near 20% (although this year may be an exception to that),</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Caelen -

I think the relevant question for someone considering a subscription model is, &quot;would it apply to my customer base?&quot;.  Also, the payment mechanism has a big impact on churn.  www.backmeup.ie bills customers monthly.  They also take payment by direct debit using sentenial.com.  It works well in this case because backing up is something you &#039;have&#039; to do.  Its also a commodity service which cuts two ways.  On the one hand there are many other services like it but on the other hand, there hasn&#039;t been that much innovation in the market so there is no real reason to move other than price.  At lower price points, (€30 - €100 per month) its harder to get people to shift as the savings are small and the hassle involved is significant.

The DD won&#039;t expire like a credit card and is fairly awkward to cancel compared to something like paypal (which is way too easy).  Sentenial also chase payments for you which is nice.  

I&#039;m not advocating locking someone in to payments but often times customers decide to &#039;unsubscribe&#039; at the spur of the moment and later decide to change their minds.  Making it a little more difficult helps make sure that they really do want to discontinue.  There is a fine line here though.  Its easy to wander over into just being plain annoying.  I still have a broadband connection in back in Dublin that I&#039;m paying for because I forgot to post some letter to somewhere or other.  (Grr).

Looks like the talk went down well.  Congrats.

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Caelen -</p>
<p>I think the relevant question for someone considering a subscription model is, &#8220;would it apply to my customer base?&#8221;.  Also, the payment mechanism has a big impact on churn.  <a href="http://www.backmeup.ie" rel="nofollow">http://www.backmeup.ie</a> bills customers monthly.  They also take payment by direct debit using sentenial.com.  It works well in this case because backing up is something you &#8216;have&#8217; to do.  Its also a commodity service which cuts two ways.  On the one hand there are many other services like it but on the other hand, there hasn&#8217;t been that much innovation in the market so there is no real reason to move other than price.  At lower price points, (€30 &#8211; €100 per month) its harder to get people to shift as the savings are small and the hassle involved is significant.</p>
<p>The DD won&#8217;t expire like a credit card and is fairly awkward to cancel compared to something like paypal (which is way too easy).  Sentenial also chase payments for you which is nice.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating locking someone in to payments but often times customers decide to &#8216;unsubscribe&#8217; at the spur of the moment and later decide to change their minds.  Making it a little more difficult helps make sure that they really do want to discontinue.  There is a fine line here though.  Its easy to wander over into just being plain annoying.  I still have a broadband connection in back in Dublin that I&#8217;m paying for because I forgot to post some letter to somewhere or other.  (Grr).</p>
<p>Looks like the talk went down well.  Congrats.</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Caelen King</title>
		<link>http://blog.whatclinic.com/2009/09/business-revenue-model-presentation-for-bizcamp-dublin.html/comment-page-1#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>Caelen King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James

Thanks for stopping by and you raise exactly one of the issues that I want to talk about today. The problem with slides is they only hint to the content. There will of course be exceptions to my 20 % rule and natural variations between industries. However if we look at mature businesses in competitive environments it is rare to get to a sub 20% churn rate. This is because even if you are in payment processing you competitors are actively marketing and selling into your customer base. 

An example that we can all relate to is the mobile telecoms business. In general this industry has about a 30-40% annual churn rate. Many of the customer that move do not go because of a lack of satisfaction (or at least they don&#039;t have the expectation that the competitor is going to be any better). They move because of an offer of a phone that they want is being given to them or similar. 

shame you not going to be here and we could discuss it in the pub</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and you raise exactly one of the issues that I want to talk about today. The problem with slides is they only hint to the content. There will of course be exceptions to my 20 % rule and natural variations between industries. However if we look at mature businesses in competitive environments it is rare to get to a sub 20% churn rate. This is because even if you are in payment processing you competitors are actively marketing and selling into your customer base. </p>
<p>An example that we can all relate to is the mobile telecoms business. In general this industry has about a 30-40% annual churn rate. Many of the customer that move do not go because of a lack of satisfaction (or at least they don&#8217;t have the expectation that the competitor is going to be any better). They move because of an offer of a phone that they want is being given to them or similar. </p>
<p>shame you not going to be here and we could discuss it in the pub</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work.  Not sure about 20% churn equating to 100% satisfaction though.  Eg: utility service such as online backup or payment processing providers will have a different profile to dating websites.  

I like thinking of it in terms of &#039;average customer lifetime&#039;.  Everyone dies but you can work on extending the average lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work.  Not sure about 20% churn equating to 100% satisfaction though.  Eg: utility service such as online backup or payment processing providers will have a different profile to dating websites.  </p>
<p>I like thinking of it in terms of &#8216;average customer lifetime&#8217;.  Everyone dies but you can work on extending the average lifetime.</p>
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